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AJTSheppard
I use font substitutions in various places.

...
:icons: font
:icon-set: fa
:at: icon:at[]
:checkbox: icon:square-o[]
:checkmark: icon:check[]
:uncheckmark: icon:times[]
:rightarrow: icon:arrow-right[]
...

I build "book.mobi" using this command:

asciidoctor-epub3 -d book -a ebook-format=kf8 book.txt

When I preview in "Kindle Viewer 3" everything seems fine, see image1.png. So far, so good. In fact, having spent a long time on it, I'm rather happy with the final result. Rather stylish.

However, when I upload to the Amazon Kindle website, I've lost my icons--for example, right-arrow--and the fonts, headings, colors ... basically everything about the book is different. Oh, and all quotes are completely gone in the "Look Inside" preview, and headings are a garish green! Nothing whatsoever like the MOBI I uploaded. See images 2 (online previewer), 3 (online previewer), 4 (Look Inside) for what it looks like on the Amazon website.

What am I doing wrong?












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mojavelinux
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when I upload to the Amazon Kindle website, I've lost my icons--for example, right-arrow--and the fonts, headings, colors ... basically everything about the book is different. Oh, and all quotes are completely gone in the "Look Inside" preview, and headings are a garish green! Nothing whatsoever like the MOBI I uploaded. See images 2 (online previewer), 3 (online previewer), 4 (Look Inside) for what it looks like on the Amazon website. 

We're constantly at war with Amazon's book processing. I have used half dozen tricks over the years to prevent their scripts to stop mutilating books. Yet they keep adding "fixes" to ensure their mutilation process works. Aside from continuing to work around their hostility, I don't really know what else to do. Authors should be furious that Amazon is modifying your content. (This affects all books, not just books made with Asciidoctor EPUB3). Since Amazon isn't transparent about what they are doing, we can only guess as to what is really happening.

I have documented the steps to work around Amazon's hostile processing in the README. One of the main things they do is remove fonts from the book, which of course removes all icons and other font-based glyphs. It can also take away colors in certain cases.

To my knowledge, if you upload the book using KDP (Kindle Direct Publishing), the fonts and styles are preserved. But since I haven't checked this week, I can't say that with 100% certainty.

What I can tell you with absolutely certainty is that you cannot use "Send to Kindle". That mutilates books so badly there's just no way to recover. I explain this here: https://github.com/asciidoctor/asciidoctor-epub3#send-to-kindle

-Dan 

On Tue, Dec 12, 2017 at 8:39 PM, AJTSheppard [via Asciidoctor :: Discussion] <[hidden email]> wrote:
I use font substitutions in various places.

...
:icons: font
:icon-set: fa
:at: icon:at[]
:checkbox: icon:square-o[]
:checkmark: icon:check[]
:uncheckmark: icon:times[]
:rightarrow: icon:arrow-right[]
...

I build "book.mobi" using this command:

asciidoctor-epub3 -d book -a ebook-format=kf8 book.txt

When I preview in "Kindle Viewer 3" everything seems fine, see image1.png. So far, so good. In fact, having spent a long time on it, I'm rather happy with the final result. Rather stylish.

However, when I upload to the Amazon Kindle website, I've lost my icons--for example, right-arrow--and the fonts, headings, colors ... basically everything about the book is different. Oh, and all quotes are completely gone in the "Look Inside" preview, and headings are a garish green! Nothing whatsoever like the MOBI I uploaded. See images 2 (online previewer), 3 (online previewer), 4 (Look Inside) for what it looks like on the Amazon website.

What am I doing wrong?















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mojavelinux
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to prevent their scripts to stop mutilating books.

to prevent their processing from mutilating books.

-Dan

On Wed, Dec 13, 2017 at 12:34 AM, Dan Allen <[hidden email]> wrote:
when I upload to the Amazon Kindle website, I've lost my icons--for example, right-arrow--and the fonts, headings, colors ... basically everything about the book is different. Oh, and all quotes are completely gone in the "Look Inside" preview, and headings are a garish green! Nothing whatsoever like the MOBI I uploaded. See images 2 (online previewer), 3 (online previewer), 4 (Look Inside) for what it looks like on the Amazon website. 

We're constantly at war with Amazon's book processing. I have used half dozen tricks over the years to prevent their scripts to stop mutilating books. Yet they keep adding "fixes" to ensure their mutilation process works. Aside from continuing to work around their hostility, I don't really know what else to do. Authors should be furious that Amazon is modifying your content. (This affects all books, not just books made with Asciidoctor EPUB3). Since Amazon isn't transparent about what they are doing, we can only guess as to what is really happening.

I have documented the steps to work around Amazon's hostile processing in the README. One of the main things they do is remove fonts from the book, which of course removes all icons and other font-based glyphs. It can also take away colors in certain cases.

To my knowledge, if you upload the book using KDP (Kindle Direct Publishing), the fonts and styles are preserved. But since I haven't checked this week, I can't say that with 100% certainty.

What I can tell you with absolutely certainty is that you cannot use "Send to Kindle". That mutilates books so badly there's just no way to recover. I explain this here: https://github.com/asciidoctor/asciidoctor-epub3#send-to-kindle

-Dan 

On Tue, Dec 12, 2017 at 8:39 PM, AJTSheppard [via Asciidoctor :: Discussion] <[hidden email]> wrote:
I use font substitutions in various places.

...
:icons: font
:icon-set: fa
:at: icon:at[]
:checkbox: icon:square-o[]
:checkmark: icon:check[]
:uncheckmark: icon:times[]
:rightarrow: icon:arrow-right[]
...

I build "book.mobi" using this command:

asciidoctor-epub3 -d book -a ebook-format=kf8 book.txt

When I preview in "Kindle Viewer 3" everything seems fine, see image1.png. So far, so good. In fact, having spent a long time on it, I'm rather happy with the final result. Rather stylish.

However, when I upload to the Amazon Kindle website, I've lost my icons--for example, right-arrow--and the fonts, headings, colors ... basically everything about the book is different. Oh, and all quotes are completely gone in the "Look Inside" preview, and headings are a garish green! Nothing whatsoever like the MOBI I uploaded. See images 2 (online previewer), 3 (online previewer), 4 (Look Inside) for what it looks like on the Amazon website.

What am I doing wrong?















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mojavelinux
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I just uploaded a book in MOBI format generated by Asciidoctor EPUB3 using kdp.amazon.com. I can confirm that the workarounds still work. Here's a preview of a chapter title page and a page with an admonition block.






Can you confirm this is how you are uploading your book?

-Dan


On Wed, Dec 13, 2017 at 12:35 AM, Dan Allen <[hidden email]> wrote:
to prevent their scripts to stop mutilating books.

to prevent their processing from mutilating books.

-Dan

On Wed, Dec 13, 2017 at 12:34 AM, Dan Allen <[hidden email]> wrote:
when I upload to the Amazon Kindle website, I've lost my icons--for example, right-arrow--and the fonts, headings, colors ... basically everything about the book is different. Oh, and all quotes are completely gone in the "Look Inside" preview, and headings are a garish green! Nothing whatsoever like the MOBI I uploaded. See images 2 (online previewer), 3 (online previewer), 4 (Look Inside) for what it looks like on the Amazon website. 

We're constantly at war with Amazon's book processing. I have used half dozen tricks over the years to prevent their scripts to stop mutilating books. Yet they keep adding "fixes" to ensure their mutilation process works. Aside from continuing to work around their hostility, I don't really know what else to do. Authors should be furious that Amazon is modifying your content. (This affects all books, not just books made with Asciidoctor EPUB3). Since Amazon isn't transparent about what they are doing, we can only guess as to what is really happening.

I have documented the steps to work around Amazon's hostile processing in the README. One of the main things they do is remove fonts from the book, which of course removes all icons and other font-based glyphs. It can also take away colors in certain cases.

To my knowledge, if you upload the book using KDP (Kindle Direct Publishing), the fonts and styles are preserved. But since I haven't checked this week, I can't say that with 100% certainty.

What I can tell you with absolutely certainty is that you cannot use "Send to Kindle". That mutilates books so badly there's just no way to recover. I explain this here: https://github.com/asciidoctor/asciidoctor-epub3#send-to-kindle

-Dan 

On Tue, Dec 12, 2017 at 8:39 PM, AJTSheppard [via Asciidoctor :: Discussion] <[hidden email]> wrote:
I use font substitutions in various places.

...
:icons: font
:icon-set: fa
:at: icon:at[]
:checkbox: icon:square-o[]
:checkmark: icon:check[]
:uncheckmark: icon:times[]
:rightarrow: icon:arrow-right[]
...

I build "book.mobi" using this command:

asciidoctor-epub3 -d book -a ebook-format=kf8 book.txt

When I preview in "Kindle Viewer 3" everything seems fine, see image1.png. So far, so good. In fact, having spent a long time on it, I'm rather happy with the final result. Rather stylish.

However, when I upload to the Amazon Kindle website, I've lost my icons--for example, right-arrow--and the fonts, headings, colors ... basically everything about the book is different. Oh, and all quotes are completely gone in the "Look Inside" preview, and headings are a garish green! Nothing whatsoever like the MOBI I uploaded. See images 2 (online previewer), 3 (online previewer), 4 (Look Inside) for what it looks like on the Amazon website.

What am I doing wrong?















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AJTSheppard
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Dear Dan,

Even though your message is a bit depressing, it's very clear, and so a good deal of help. Thanks!

All of these "top dog" companies treat their customers like crap! Monopolistic behavior anyone?

That said, the only way to deal with them in the short-term is to find work-arounds. Thanks for the pointers!

Oh, and keep up the good work!

-- All the best, Shep
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mojavelinux
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Thanks Shep!

I know, it's really frustrating. It's also why eBooks continue to struggle. It really has everything to do with poor technology stewardship and nothing to do with readers' desire to want to read books electronically, IMO.

I am happy to see that publishing throw Kindle Direct Publishing is still working. I don't know why Amazon has more than one way of doing it, but that seems to be the path to success.

Cheers,

-Dan

On Fri, Dec 15, 2017 at 1:59 PM, AJTSheppard [via Asciidoctor :: Discussion] <[hidden email]> wrote:
Dear Dan,

Even though your message is a bit depressing, it's very clear, and so a good deal of help. Thanks!

All of these "top dog" companies treat their customers like crap! Monopolistic behavior anyone?

That said, the only way to deal with them in the short-term is to find work-arounds. Thanks for the pointers!

Oh, and keep up the good work!

-- All the best, Shep


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AJTSheppard
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I'm uploading the book through Amazon's Kindle Direct Publishing website.

It's a multi-stage process: upload cover, description, upload book.mobi, set price, and so on.

When I upload my book it looks OK in their online viewer ... just minus my icons, but otherwise the book is recognizable.

After publishing to their website, the "Look Inside" feature shows a book that is unrecognizable from the original.

If I send a sample from the Amazon website to my iPad and read it using the Kindle app, the book looks like it did in the Amazon online previewer.

But in the look inside the book looks like crap.
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mojavelinux
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After publishing to their website, the "Look Inside" feature shows a book that is unrecognizable from the original. 

Oh, I should have added, that's a known problem. The "Look Inside" feature is using an *ancient* version of their viewer (like Kindle 1) and has absolutely no support for stylesheets. That's not what the reader will experience when reading the book in their Kindle reader. They will see what you see in the preview (based on what has been reported by other authors and readers).

I should add that point to the README.

-Dan



On Fri, Dec 15, 2017 at 2:06 PM, AJTSheppard [via Asciidoctor :: Discussion] <[hidden email]> wrote:
I'm uploading the book through Amazon's Kindle Direct Publishing website.

It's a multi-stage process: upload cover, description, upload book.mobi, set price, and so on.

When I upload my book it looks OK in their online viewer ... just minus my icons, but otherwise the book is recognizable.

After publishing to their website, the "Look Inside" feature shows a book that is unrecognizable from the original.

If I send a sample from the Amazon website to my iPad and read it using the Kindle app, the book looks like it did in the Amazon online previewer.

But in the look inside the book looks like crap.


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